Dr Paul Mason: So Peter, allegedly you went to medical school before I did. So back then, what were the standard teachings on the management of type 2 diabetes?

Dr Peter Brukner: Well, it was a long time ago Paul, but I don't think things have changed much. The standard management was medication. 

Dr Paul Mason: What about the role of diet?

Dr Peter Brukner: Very little emphasis on diet. Basically, we were told doesn't matter what you eat, we'll just medicate you more to control your blood sugar.

Dr Paul Mason: And I guess that approach has persisted to this day. This is what would term now the "standard model of care" for the management of type 2 diabetes. 

Dr Peter Brukner: It has and to be honest, it's been a disaster. But at the moment, if you're diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, you're not given any hope. You're basically told "you gotta live with this for the rest of your life." 

Dr Paul Mason: Whereas, if you actually understand that the root problem of diabetes is excessive blood sugar, much of which comes from the diet. The expectation is that if you're still chowing down the carbohydrates as much as you want, then it really will continue to progress. Irrespective of however much medications you're taking.

Dr Peter Brukner: When type 2 diabetes is a disease where you don't tolerate carbohydrates. So it's pretty clear that the solution is don't eat carbohydrates. As my kids would say, "duh".

Dr Paul Mason: And I guess that's the crux of the Defeat Diabetes Program, isn't it? Controlling carbohydrate intake will actually reduce the need for the medications on top. We can actually, in many cases, reverse type 2 diabetes with diet alone. 

Dr Peter Brukner: Sounds pretty simple. 

Dr Paul Mason: Maybe we should make an app?